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Re: Hotspot for a IRLP VPN usage

Dave K9DC
 

On Sep 19, 2021, at 14:35, wa1nvc <wa1nvc@gmail.com> wrote:

Cellular connections are behind a carrier grade NAT unless you pay the big bucks for a static IP address.

Just install OpenVPN and use the IRLP VPN service.

I have found a simple device which works with GSM carriers(all but Verizon). You can find these devices on eBay or you can buy the newer model.

I have used several of the Netgear LB1120 devices. They require a wall wart for power and has a single ethernet output connection. You just insert the SIM and you are ready to go. It is essentially a cellular modem and a single port router in a small box about the size of a hockey puck. The current model is the Netgear LM1200($149.99 on Amazon). The only obvious difference between the two is the wall wart; the newer one is 5 vdc instead of 12 vdc. If you need to run multiple devices just add an ethernet switch. They may say the LB1120/LM1200 works with Verizon BUT YMMV. :-)

I have used several MVNO's who are on the AT&T and T-Mobile networks using the LB1120 and had no problems.
I am using an LB-1120 on AT&T as a backup to my gigabit fiber. It is not specifically configured for IRLP, but if my fiber ever goes dark, the one node I have in my house on IRLP VPN, will follow. Same service I described further back in this thread.


As for service prices, look at Tello who resells T-Mobile. Be sure to specify the NO Minutes when using T-Mobile as you are running as a hotspot. T-Mobile differentiates between phones and hotspots. Red Pocket resells both AT&T and T-Mobile. Mint Mobile and Metro by T-Mobile are also T-Mobile resellers.

Sprint and any Sprint resellers are DEAD and will be completely gone by the end of the year.
All the Sprint locations around me have been converted into T-Mobile stores.

Roger
WA1NVC
-Dave K9DC


Re: Hotspot for a IRLP VPN usage

Teton Amateur Radio Repeater Association (TARRA)
 

I am wondering if anyone has tried one of these:

https://www.gl-inet.com/products/gl-x300b

Mick - W7CAT
Node 3464


----- Original Message -----
From: "wa1nvc"
To: IRLP@irlp.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2021 12:35:21 PM
Subject: Re: [IRLP] Hotspot for a IRLP VPN usage

> Cellular connections are behind a carrier grade NAT unless you pay the big bucks for a static IP address.
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> Just install OpenVPN and use the IRLP VPN service.
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> I have found a simple device which works with GSM carriers(all but Verizon).  You can find these devices on eBay or you can buy the newer model.
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> I have used several of the Netgear LB1120 devices.  They require a wall wart for power and has a single ethernet output connection.  You just insert the SIM and you are ready to go.  It is essentially a cellular modem and a single port router in a small box about the size of a hockey puck.  The current model is the Netgear LM1200($149.99 on Amazon).  The only obvious difference between the two is the wall wart; the newer one is 5 vdc instead of 12 vdc.  If you need to run multiple devices just add an ethernet switch.  They may say the LB1120/LM1200 works with Verizon BUT  YMMV. :-)
>
> I have used several MVNO's who are on the AT&T and T-Mobile networks using the LB1120 and had no problems.
>
> As for service prices, look at Tello who resells T-Mobile.  Be sure to specify the NO Minutes when using T-Mobile as you are running as a hotspot.  T-Mobile differentiates between phones and hotspots.  Red Pocket resells both AT&T and T-Mobile.  Mint Mobile and Metro by T-Mobile are also T-Mobile resellers.
>
> Sprint and any Sprint resellers are DEAD and will be completely gone by the end of the year.
>
> Roger
> WA1NVC
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Re: Hotspot for a IRLP VPN usage

wa1nvc
 

Cellular connections are behind a carrier grade NAT unless you pay the big bucks for a static IP address. 

Just install OpenVPN and use the IRLP VPN service.

I have found a simple device which works with GSM carriers(all but Verizon).  You can find these devices on eBay or you can buy the newer model.

I have used several of the Netgear LB1120 devices.  They require a wall wart for power and has a single ethernet output connection.  You just insert the SIM and you are ready to go.  It is essentially a cellular modem and a single port router in a small box about the size of a hockey puck.  The current model is the Netgear LM1200($149.99 on Amazon).  The only obvious difference between the two is the wall wart; the newer one is 5 vdc instead of 12 vdc.  If you need to run multiple devices just add an ethernet switch.  They may say the LB1120/LM1200 works with Verizon BUT  YMMV. :-)

I have used several MVNO's who are on the AT&T and T-Mobile networks using the LB1120 and had no problems.

As for service prices, look at Tello who resells T-Mobile.  Be sure to specify the NO Minutes when using T-Mobile as you are running as a hotspot.  T-Mobile differentiates between phones and hotspots.  Red Pocket resells both AT&T and T-Mobile.  Mint Mobile and Metro by T-Mobile are also T-Mobile resellers.

Sprint and any Sprint resellers are DEAD and will be completely gone by the end of the year.

Roger
WA1NVC


Re: Hotspot for a IRLP VPN usage

Dave K9DC
 

$20/month. Flat rate, no bandwidth limits or throttling thresholds.

But it is on an old, now discontinued plan known as the “AT&T Connected Car Plan.” IIRC the plan was only available for a few months in 2017. Before it was discontinued, it came with a rather crummy hotspot made by ZTE. The hotspot plugs in to the OBDII port in your car, it only grabs power from the OBDII. I removed the SIM from the ZTE, and installed it in the router.

-k9dc

On Sep 18, 2021, at 10:33, Teton Amateur Radio Repeater Association (TARRA) <tarra@wyocat.com> wrote:

What is a rough idea of the cost of the monthly service from AT&T?

Mick - W7CAT
Node 3464

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave K9DC via groups.io"
To: IRLP@irlp.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 07:14:20 AM
Subject: Re: [IRLP] Hotspot for a IRLP VPN usage


On Sep 17, 2021, at 17:33, byronhham wrote:

Hi I have a IRLP node that appears to have lost its internet service. The city which has provided internet service in the past has decided to not allow the additional open ports that IRLP requires.
If the connection still works outgoing, and you have just lost access to the required ports incoming, IRLP VPN is your solution. It allows full IRLP operation with no port forwarding required at all.

So I am looking into internet from a hotspot from a cell phone provider.
I have looked at several that have a direct Lan connection (which is what I have now).

So I am asking for your experiences (cost and support of IRLP speed and ports) with the cell providers and their hotspots?
Assuming you need to provide your own Internet, I would not recommend using a cellco portable hotspot. They are usually battery operated, and not known for long term reliability. A dedicated router is probably better. I am using one of these https://mofinetwork.com/product/mofi4500-4gxelte-sim4-combo/ at my main repeater site, where I have three IRLP nodes sharing the same cellular connection from AT&T. Works perfectly. [AT&T has a cell site on the same tower, so the cell signal is always good!]

My cellular connection usually gives me 20 to 30 Mbps, often close to symmetrical. Which is plenty for three nodes (IRLP actually requires less then 128 kbps).

Is the use of the IRLP VPN tunnel required with the hotspots?
For retail consumer accounts, it near impossible to get cellular service with a public IP address for conventional routing, so use of IRLP VPN will be required, but the price is right (free).

Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience.
Byron
NJ7J
Node 3876
-Dave K9DC


Re: Hotspot for a IRLP VPN usage

Teton Amateur Radio Repeater Association (TARRA)
 

What is a rough idea of the cost of the monthly service from AT&T?

Mick - W7CAT
Node 3464

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave K9DC via groups.io"
To: IRLP@irlp.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 07:14:20 AM
Subject: Re: [IRLP] Hotspot for a IRLP VPN usage

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> > On Sep 17, 2021, at 17:33, byronhham wrote:
> >
> > Hi I have a IRLP node that appears to have lost its internet service. The city which has provided internet service in the past has decided to not allow the additional open ports that IRLP requires.
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> If the connection still works outgoing, and you have just lost access to the required ports incoming, IRLP VPN is your solution. It allows full IRLP operation with no port forwarding required at all.
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> > So I am looking into internet from a hotspot from a cell phone provider.
> > I have looked at several that have a direct Lan connection (which is what I have now).
> >
> > So I am asking for your experiences (cost and support of IRLP speed and ports) with the cell providers and their hotspots?
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> Assuming you need to provide your own Internet, I would not recommend using a cellco portable hotspot. They are usually battery operated, and not known for long term reliability. A dedicated router is probably better. I am using one of these https://mofinetwork.com/product/mofi4500-4gxelte-sim4-combo/ at my main repeater site, where I have three IRLP nodes sharing the same cellular connection from AT&T. Works perfectly. [AT&T has a cell site on the same tower, so the cell signal is always good!]
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> My cellular connection usually gives me 20 to 30 Mbps, often close to symmetrical. Which is plenty for three nodes (IRLP actually requires less then 128 kbps).
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> > Is the use of the IRLP VPN tunnel required with the hotspots?
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> For retail consumer accounts, it near impossible to get cellular service with a public IP address for conventional routing, so use of IRLP VPN will be required, but the price is right (free).
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> > Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience.
> > Byron
> > NJ7J
> > Node 3876
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> -Dave K9DC
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Re: Hotspot for a IRLP VPN usage

Dave K9DC
 

On Sep 17, 2021, at 17:33, byronhham <hellewellb@utahwisp.com> wrote:

Hi I have a IRLP node that appears to have lost its internet service. The city which has provided internet service in the past has decided to not allow the additional open ports that IRLP requires.
If the connection still works outgoing, and you have just lost access to the required ports incoming, IRLP VPN is your solution. It allows full IRLP operation with no port forwarding required at all.

So I am looking into internet from a hotspot from a cell phone provider.
I have looked at several that have a direct Lan connection (which is what I have now).

So I am asking for your experiences (cost and support of IRLP speed and ports) with the cell providers and their hotspots?
Assuming you need to provide your own Internet, I would not recommend using a cellco portable hotspot. They are usually battery operated, and not known for long term reliability. A dedicated router is probably better. I am using one of these https://mofinetwork.com/product/mofi4500-4gxelte-sim4-combo/ at my main repeater site, where I have three IRLP nodes sharing the same cellular connection from AT&T. Works perfectly. [AT&T has a cell site on the same tower, so the cell signal is always good!]

My cellular connection usually gives me 20 to 30 Mbps, often close to symmetrical. Which is plenty for three nodes (IRLP actually requires less then 128 kbps).

Is the use of the IRLP VPN tunnel required with the hotspots?
For retail consumer accounts, it near impossible to get cellular service with a public IP address for conventional routing, so use of IRLP VPN will be required, but the price is right (free).

Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience.
Byron
NJ7J
Node 3876
-Dave K9DC


Re: Hotspot for a IRLP VPN usage

 

As others have suggested, why can't you run IRLP VPN over your existing wired connection?  That would give the best results.

On 18/9/21 7:33 am, byronhham wrote:
Hi I have a IRLP node that appears to have lost its internet service. The city which has provided internet service in the past has decided to not allow the additional open ports that IRLP requires.

So I am looking into internet from a hotspot from a cell phone provider.

I have looked at several that have a direct Lan connection (which is what I have now).

So I am asking for your experiences (cost and support of IRLP speed and ports) with the cell providers and their hotspots?

Is the use of the IRLP VPN tunnel required with the hotspots?

Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience.

Byron
NJ7J
Node 3876


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Re: Hotspot for a IRLP VPN usage

Bob DeMattia, K1IW
 
Edited

IRLP VPN will solve all your problems - and it is free:

See this previous announcement:
https://irlp.groups.io/g/IRLP/message/75992
Scroll to the bottom message in the topic.

73,
Bob - K1IW


Re: Hotspot for a IRLP VPN usage

William Franzin
 

If you have a wired network connection there no big deal if they won't allow specific ports. You can even tunnel something to the 44-dot ham network if you wanted to, then plug in the IRLP. Or use the IRLP VPN. Cellular is never as good as a real wired network connection. 


On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 4:33 PM byronhham <hellewellb@...> wrote:
Hi I have a IRLP node that appears to have lost its internet service. The city which has provided internet service in the past has decided to not allow the additional open ports that IRLP requires.

So I am looking into internet from a hotspot from a cell phone provider.

I have looked at several that have a direct Lan connection (which is what I have now).

So I am asking for your experiences (cost and support of IRLP speed and ports) with the cell providers and their hotspots?

Is the use of the IRLP VPN tunnel required with the hotspots?

Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience.

Byron
NJ7J
Node 3876


Hotspot for a IRLP VPN usage

byronhham
 

Hi I have a IRLP node that appears to have lost its internet service. The city which has provided internet service in the past has decided to not allow the additional open ports that IRLP requires.

So I am looking into internet from a hotspot from a cell phone provider.

I have looked at several that have a direct Lan connection (which is what I have now).

So I am asking for your experiences (cost and support of IRLP speed and ports) with the cell providers and their hotspots?

Is the use of the IRLP VPN tunnel required with the hotspots?

Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience.

Byron
NJ7J
Node 3876


Re: Opendns

Dave K9DC
 

But none of that matters since you have IRLP VPN up and running. Your IP address in the network is 44.127.48.61. None of your local router settings are in play in the slightest, because the VPN routes around all of your local router(s)

repeater@tigger:~$ telnet stn1485 15425
Trying 44.127.48.61...
Connected to stn1485.
Escape character is '^]'.
stn1485 - va6ke : Welcome 75.48.51.3

Looks normal to me… also, I can connect to your node fine.


Dave K9DC

On Sep 16, 2021, at 11:24, Kevin B <buchholz676@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Nick for the more details description of what I've got going on. I have a pretty basic understanding of this, more what they do not necessarily all the details of how. All I can say if irlp has no connection and fails on the troubleshoot script. Right now I have a multi router setup and the node is before the router with the DNS service running so that's why it's currently working. But that probably is going to change soon and it will be blocking again. Blocking what, your point is exact, I don't know what it's blocking so have no idea how to unblock it like you said in the settings of allowed (your words were much more detailed).
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VE6KEZ
NODE 1485


Re: Opendns

Kevin B
 

Thanks Nick for the more details description of what I've got going on. I have a pretty basic understanding of this, more what they do not necessarily all the details of how. All I can say if irlp has no connection and fails on the troubleshoot script. Right now I have a multi router setup and the node is before the router with the DNS service running so that's why it's currently working. But that probably is going to change soon and it will be blocking again. Blocking what, your point is exact, I don't know what it's blocking so have no idea how to unblock it like you said in the settings of allowed (your words were much more detailed). 
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VE6KEZ
NODE 1485


Re: Opendns

Lonney [K1LH]
 

Seems odd that they'd be randomly blocking stuff like IRLP host name lookups?

I run a Pi-Hole on my network which blocks around 196,000 "bad" domains at the current count, and that forwards to Quad9 (9.9.9.9) which also does some filtering of known malware domains. Only issue I've had with that setup is the stupid Samsung smart TV getting glitchy so I made an exception for that and configured it to use Quad9 directly.

From memory IRLP nodes use their own means of resolving names separate from the systems DNS resolver?


Re: Opendns

Dave K9DC
 

On Sep 16, 2021, at 09:06, Nosey Nick VA3NNW <irlp@noseynick.com> wrote:

What do you mean by “it blocked the irlp node”? What function is impaired?
At the risk of sounding slightly like an advert...
Original poster was referring to https://www.opendns.com/ which offers a service that is PRIMARILY a big global DNS resolver a lot like the more famous 1.1.1.1, 1.0.0.1, 8.8.8.8, 8.8.4.4
Yes, I get all that. But I don’t understand what node problems are attributed to OpenDNS. Once the IRLP VPN tunnel comes up, all DNS is routed over the tunnel. So the OpenDNS settings are ignored.

The tunnel to 1485 is currently up and running fine. So I am just trying to understand what is broken. IRLP does not even use DNS to make calls (although a number of supporting features do).

-Dave K9DC


Re: Opendns

Nosey Nick VA3NNW
 

What do you mean by “it blocked the irlp node”? What function is impaired?
At the risk of sounding slightly like an advert...

Original poster was referring to https://www.opendns.com/ which offers a service that is PRIMARILY a big global DNS resolver a lot like the more famous 1.1.1.1, 1.0.0.1, 8.8.8.8, 8.8.4.4

One of the features they offer is https://www.opendns.com/home-internet-security/ a sort of a "DNS firewall" somewhat like https://pi-hole.net/ but just by using the right (OpenDNS) name servers, various malware and adult domains will cease to exist, and/or be sent instead to a page saying "sorry this content is blocked" or something. You're on your WiFi, your laptop uses your router's DNS cache, which uses OpenDNS, which deliberately refuses to admit that all the main adult websites exist when your (or presumably your kids') browser tries to convert www.[something-naughty].com to 198.51.100.69 or whatever.

Creative, Intelligent kids may soon learn that proxies and VPNs are a thing, and these can perhaps be used to work around Daddy's DNS block setup, so OFTEN if you're going to block adult sites, you'll block VPNs too, to prevent the obvious workaround.

TL;DR: OP's DNS resolver is blocking/redirecting the DNS lookup for the IRLP DNS concentrator(s), most likely, but if you can tell him the domain(s) involved, he can add them to a list of addresses that WILL still be resolved corrrectly, and his IRLP VPN should spring back into life.

Or "To what hostname(s) / FQDN(s) does the IRLP VPN attempt to connect?"

Nick VA3NNW

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Re: Opendns

Dave K9DC
 

What do you mean by “it blocked the irlp node”? What function is impaired?

-k9dc

On Sep 15, 2021, at 23:17, Kevin B <buchholz676@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey,
I recently started using opendns on the router and it blocked the irlp node, I assume the irlp vpn is what's actually blocked. I'm using their free but somewhat customizable service to block the kids from certain things. Anyone know how to bypass this or something for only irlp? From what I understand you might not be able to because that is how someone might bypass the parental controls of the DNS. I can add sites to ignore, what site might I try adding? The VPN IP?
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VE6KEZ
NODE 1485


Opendns

Kevin B
 

Hey,
I recently started using opendns on the router and it blocked the irlp node, I assume the irlp vpn is what's actually blocked. I'm using their free but somewhat customizable service to block the kids from certain things. Anyone know how to bypass this or something for only irlp? From what I understand you might not be able to because that is how someone might bypass the parental controls of the DNS. I can add sites to ignore, what site might I try adding? The VPN IP?
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VE6KEZ
NODE 1485


Re: IRLP NODE FAILURE?

David Cameron - IRLP
 

You need to try hdmi direct first. Do you have an HDMI TV? Get a cable to rule it out. 

Also, if you have a spare SD card, image anything on it, like the latest raspberry pi OS, and see if that boots. 

I could look at repairing it. Likely just needs something replaced. Would be good to know if the pi is functional though. 

Dave



Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada's largest network.


-------- Original message --------
From: Scott Brady <utahkarate@...>
Date: 2021-09-15 10:13 a.m. (GMT-08:00)
To: IRLP@irlp.groups.io
Subject: Re: [IRLP] IRLP NODE FAILURE?

I am using a hdmi to vga converter, which has always worked in the past. I forgot to mention that the debian color screen flashes momentarily when I first plug it in, but then goes dark. Is this something I can send to you for repair, or do I buy a new one?


Re: IRLP NODE FAILURE?

Scott Brady
 

I am using a hdmi to vga converter, which has always worked in the past. I forgot to mention that the debian color screen flashes momentarily when I first plug it in, but then goes dark. Is this something I can send to you for repair, or do I buy a new one?


Re: IRLP NODE FAILURE?

David Cameron - IRLP
 

This sounds like the Pi has failed. It is acting like it is not getting enough power to start, which after talking to the death about power, sounds like an internal short.

Try it without the SD card in it at all - That's really the only other removable part. The Pi4 has a boot loader in it, and you will see something on the screen.

Are you using a true HDMI device, or converting to something like VGA or DVI?

Dave Cameron

On 2021-09-14 6:05 p.m., Scott Brady wrote:
I tried both hdmi ports, rebooted it several times. Nothing. I have a second sd card which is a clone of the first which booted fine when I made it. The light to the right of the were the sd card plugs in starts and stays red. I can see a little green flash of light near the red one that flashes every few seconds.

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