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Linksys Router

Corey Dean KF3DY <kf3dy@...>
 

I hate to ask this here, but I can't find the owner page that had the
linksys info. This is not IRLP related other than the linksys routers that
some of you use. I work for a bank and our internet banking website
requires 128 bit encryption. There old 40 bit passes thru their linksys
router but the 128 doesn't. They just installed this a few days ago, and
tell me there is nothing wrong with their dsl router. Yet, I have them hook
directly into the DSL modem and it work! Confusing as to why it wouldn't
work with the 128 bit encryption. I have NEVER messed with a linksys and
their techie's say all is fine. Is there something I could look at or
rather see if they could check out and see if something isn't right? Seems
as though it should work on SSL right out of the box on their 192.168.1.1
network.

Corey KF3DY


Re: Linksys Router

f.marks@...
 

Corey here is the Address you are looking for
http://www.irlp.net/18-newnode/routers/Linksys.htm
I would check to make sure that the routing is correct
for the Computer.

Good Luck

73's from
VE1FSM
Frank Marks
Webmaster of
http://www.westcumb.com
ve1fsm@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Corey Dean KF3DY [mailto:kf3dy@...]
Sent: July 18, 2001 3:59 PM
To: David Cameron; irlp@...
Subject: [irlp] Linksys Router


I hate to ask this here, but I can't find the owner page that had the
linksys info. This is not IRLP related other than the linksys routers that
some of you use. I work for a bank and our internet banking website
requires 128 bit encryption. There old 40 bit passes thru their linksys
router but the 128 doesn't. They just installed this a few days ago, and
tell me there is nothing wrong with their dsl router. Yet, I have them hook
directly into the DSL modem and it work! Confusing as to why it wouldn't
work with the 128 bit encryption. I have NEVER messed with a linksys and
their techie's say all is fine. Is there something I could look at or
rather see if they could check out and see if something isn't right? Seems
as though it should work on SSL right out of the box on their 192.168.1.1
network.

Corey KF3DY


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Conditional Node Access System?

Bill Gade
 

Well, to give the list a real test, here is something I wan't comments
on. I while ago (back in the days before 70 nodes : )), I proposed making
it so that even with a node with a preaccess code, one could still call
home without knowing the preaccess code.

I have been hashing through how to do it for some time and I think I may
have figured out a way that doesn't cause too much trouble.

Basically, it would mean each node would have a preaccess code - this
doesn't mean that each node would have to use it, it just needs to have
one. Hopefully two or three numbers (we would need to be standardized on
how many digits and it would be a good idea to keep funny things like
letters and * and # out of them).

Each preaccess code would be recorded in a database similar to the one
that runs the stats - no one would be able to see them except the actualy
linux machines running the nodes.

The scenario would go like this. If no preaccess code is required on a
node, you use it just like you do now. If a node has a preaccess code and
you know it, you use it. But, if you are somewhere and the node you are
trying to use has a preaccess code that you don't know, you would be able
to dial your home node's preaccess code followed by your home nodes node
number and still connect.

This would prevent you from making calls all over the place but it would
allow you to talk to your home system where you are already an IRLP
supporter.

It would keep non-irlp supporters off of systems that don't want them
while allowing anyone who is an IRLP supporter to at least talk to home if
they can't find someone to grant them full access to the node which is
closed.

Questions and comments please.

Bill Gade
VE4WO


Re: Conditional Node Access System?

T. Glen Haggard <glen@...>
 

I like it, do you have script to run it?

Glen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Gade" <bgade@...>
To: <irlp@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 12:06 PM
Subject: [irlp] Conditional Node Access System?


Well, to give the list a real test, here is something I wan't comments
on. I while ago (back in the days before 70 nodes : )), I proposed making
it so that even with a node with a preaccess code, one could still call
home without knowing the preaccess code.

I have been hashing through how to do it for some time and I think I may
have figured out a way that doesn't cause too much trouble.

Basically, it would mean each node would have a preaccess code - this
doesn't mean that each node would have to use it, it just needs to have
one. Hopefully two or three numbers (we would need to be standardized on
how many digits and it would be a good idea to keep funny things like
letters and * and # out of them).

Each preaccess code would be recorded in a database similar to the one
that runs the stats - no one would be able to see them except the actualy
linux machines running the nodes.

The scenario would go like this. If no preaccess code is required on a
node, you use it just like you do now. If a node has a preaccess code and
you know it, you use it. But, if you are somewhere and the node you are
trying to use has a preaccess code that you don't know, you would be able
to dial your home node's preaccess code followed by your home nodes node
number and still connect.

This would prevent you from making calls all over the place but it would
allow you to talk to your home system where you are already an IRLP
supporter.

It would keep non-irlp supporters off of systems that don't want them
while allowing anyone who is an IRLP supporter to at least talk to home if
they can't find someone to grant them full access to the node which is
closed.

Questions and comments please.

Bill Gade
VE4WO


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Re: Linksys Router

Phil Hebert <n3cdy@...>
 

Corey,
I don't know the answer to your question, BUT, I routinely use 128 bit
encryption all the time behind my LinkSys box. You can download the most
recent firmware from their website.
Regards, Phil N3CDY


Re: Conditional Node Access System?

f.marks@...
 

Sounds like a great idea, Why don't you make the preaccess code
the same as the node #. 3 Digits and easy to remember!

73's from
VE1FSM
Frank Marks
Webmaster of
http://www.westcumb.com
ve1fsm@...






Basically, it would mean each node would have a preaccess code - this
doesn't mean that each node would have to use it, it just needs to have
one. Hopefully two or three numbers (we would need to be standardized on
how many digits and it would be a good idea to keep funny things like
letters and * and # out of them).

Each preaccess code would be recorded in a database similar to the one
that runs the stats - no one would be able to see them except the actualy
linux machines running the nodes.


Re: junk mail

Tony Langdon <tlangdon@...>
 

But as I stated in the beginning, I have over 20 lists subscrbed and
I *never* get spam to that email address (btw, it's a private mail
address, not a yahoo, hotmail, etc).

In my opinion, don't blame the subscription to the list, check your
options and check what email address you signed up for and it's
policy.
I agree. As a subscriber (at home) to some 30 odd Yahoo lists (including
moderator of a handful), I haven't noticed any increase in spam as a result.
If anything, spam has slowly been decreasing over time. Can't blame Yahoo
for that. :)


Re: List purpose

Tony Langdon <tlangdon@...>
 

I'm not picking a fight here. Can someone state the purpose and
rules of this list.

a) is it replacing the list run off of the irlp.net service?
b) what is the intent. e.g. content rules?
c) are there specifically dis-allowed conversations (sales, auctions,
etc).
Actually, now tht you mention it, these are good questions. I'd be
interested to know as well, just for reference sake.

I'd just like to make sure I don't step in a doo-doo pile before I
know the intent.
:-)

Thanks in advance. I'm a brand new node owner and working through
the final efforts of installation.
Good luck! :)

I'll have a family of repeaters here in Atlanta that will on the net
shortly.
Will be good to have you aboard. Hey, haven't chatted for a while, back on
places like #AMSAT :) Well, we may get to voice soon. I run the VK3RGL
node and am waiting for my board for a private (for demo and promotion of
IRLP, as well as special/emergency events) node, which will probably take
another 3 weeks to arrive (only posted the order on Monday and the postal
service takes a while from this side of the world :( ).

If you've forgotton who I am...

73 de VK3JED
:)


Re: Conditional Node Access System?

Tony Langdon <tlangdon@...>
 

Well, to give the list a real test, here is something I wan't comments
on. I while ago (back in the days before 70 nodes : )), I
proposed making
it so that even with a node with a preaccess code, one could
still call
home without knowing the preaccess code.
<snip>

I don't know how practical this is to implement, but it sounds like a good
idea, as long as the preaccess codes can be reliably distributed in a timely
fashion (hey, this is Linux, why not? :) ).

It would also require some form of "phone home" code for non prefixed
nodes... For example, if someone from a non prefixed node was travelling
and wanted to phone home, how do they? If you're not careful, they could be
an innocent victim of a more open policy in their area, even if they're
supporting their local node!

So, one would need a "DIALHOMEPREFIX" (which in Australia, I would be
reccommending all VK nodes to set to the current national prefix...).


Re: Conditional Node Access System?

Tony Langdon <tlangdon@...>
 

Sounds like a great idea, Why don't you make the preaccess code
the same as the node #. 3 Digits and easy to remember!
Kind of defeats the purpose as node numbers are now public, so the prefix is
"guessable"... :)


IRLP and IRC

Ray Vaughan
 

Just an idea...

Have an IRC channel for each reflector. As nodes join the reflector, they have a bot join the channel too. Each time they send to the reflector, it says something like "Miami node, KD4BBM speaks" The idea would be that we could sit back and 'watch' the reflector. When we hear a voice, we can look at the channel to see where it comes from. We could also type comments. People out of reach of a node could follow along with the Real Audio feed.

The ultimate would be an APRS like display using Java, each time a node speaks, their place on a map is highlighted.

I'm not a programmer, but I think both of these are possible. I suspect the IRC bot solution might be simpler.

If anyone here is into IRC or mapping programs, this might be a project you could do to improve the network. I really like the APRS model where users became designers and programmers to support the central goal. Does this model have an application in IRLP? I see lots of room for support programs that would improve the overall network.

Ray J. Vaughan, MS, CBTE, CERT
KD4BBM PG-7-15266
http://www.rayvaughan.com/
ray@...


Re: List purpose

Kent Roberts <kr1@...>
 



a) is it replacing the list run off of the irlp.net service?
b) what is the intent. e.g. content rules?
c) are there specifically dis-allowed conversations (sales, auctions,etc).
a. yes

b. Lets try to keep it IRLP related, but other ideas/issues are bound to
come up. - Not a big issue.

c. Not exactly sure how sales/auctions would fit in. Maybe if it was a
controller, or radio, that shouldn't be an issue.

I am not pickie, about the topics. The main reason for setting this up is,
I have seen alot of good info come across the list dealing with issues, and
ideas. I though it should continue. The best part is that there is an
archive of the past memos!!!

Enjoy the list, we can handle an issue if one should arise...

Kent


Re: List purpose

ne1h@...
 

Thank Kent,

As we discussed in email, I've made just a couple of changes :).

Alan

--- In irlp@y..., Kent Roberts <kr1@b...> wrote:


a) is it replacing the list run off of the irlp.net service?
b) what is the intent. e.g. content rules?
c) are there specifically dis-allowed conversations (sales,
auctions,etc).

a. yes

b. Lets try to keep it IRLP related, but other ideas/issues are
bound to
come up. - Not a big issue.

c. Not exactly sure how sales/auctions would fit in. Maybe if it
was a
controller, or radio, that shouldn't be an issue.

I am not pickie, about the topics. The main reason for setting
this up is,
I have seen alot of good info come across the list dealing with
issues, and
ideas. I though it should continue. The best part is that there
is an
archive of the past memos!!!

Enjoy the list, we can handle an issue if one should arise...

Kent


Connect / Disconnect Wave Files

Ed Yoho <edyoho@...>
 

Most likely a dumb question:

What advantage is there to having the connect / disconnect wave files for
all nodes distributed to all the nodes versus just having your own wave
files locally?

It would seem to me, by distributing the complete file set to all nodes, it
raises the storage requirements on the individual nodes and also adds
additional burdens on Dave to keep them current. By not needing to
distribute the files, all nodes would always be current.

Also, by not having the wave files distributed, when my node connects to a
remote node, I would get a short but accurate view of the current VoIP
connection quality. This would also let me know how much of the observed
distortions are being caused by the remote node's interfaced equipment
(link radio(s), repeater, mobile user).

Ed Yoho
WA6RQD
Oceanside, CA
node 315


Re: Connect / Disconnect Wave Files

Fred <fred@...>
 

what if the link is so bad you can't tell who connected, how are you going
to let them know they have a problem, or how will you know who they are.
The storage requiremnt are minimum... FWIW.. Fred

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Yoho" <edyoho@...>
To: <irlp@...>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 9:00 PM
Subject: [irlp] Connect / Disconnect Wave Files


Most likely a dumb question:

What advantage is there to having the connect / disconnect wave files for
all nodes distributed to all the nodes versus just having your own wave
files locally?

It would seem to me, by distributing the complete file set to all nodes,
it
raises the storage requirements on the individual nodes and also adds
additional burdens on Dave to keep them current. By not needing to
distribute the files, all nodes would always be current.

Also, by not having the wave files distributed, when my node connects to a
remote node, I would get a short but accurate view of the current VoIP
connection quality. This would also let me know how much of the observed
distortions are being caused by the remote node's interfaced equipment
(link radio(s), repeater, mobile user).

Ed Yoho
WA6RQD
Oceanside, CA
node 315

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Re: Connect / Disconnect Wave Files

T. Glen Haggard <glen@...>
 

This was discussed awhile back and I believe Dave was thinking of just
setting up the nodes to play their own message when connected to. I believe
the issue was having to upload all these files each time the update due to
all the new nodes. The more nodes that come on line the large that file
becomes and the more uploading Dave has to do. I believe that in the future
we will see a different system.

Glen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred" <fred@...>
To: <irlp@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 3:44 AM
Subject: Re: [irlp] Connect / Disconnect Wave Files


what if the link is so bad you can't tell who connected, how are you going
to let them know they have a problem, or how will you know who they are.
The storage requiremnt are minimum... FWIW.. Fred

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Yoho" <edyoho@...>
To: <irlp@...>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 9:00 PM
Subject: [irlp] Connect / Disconnect Wave Files


Most likely a dumb question:

What advantage is there to having the connect / disconnect wave files
for
all nodes distributed to all the nodes versus just having your own wave
files locally?

It would seem to me, by distributing the complete file set to all nodes,
it
raises the storage requirements on the individual nodes and also adds
additional burdens on Dave to keep them current. By not needing to
distribute the files, all nodes would always be current.

Also, by not having the wave files distributed, when my node connects to
a
remote node, I would get a short but accurate view of the current VoIP
connection quality. This would also let me know how much of the observed
distortions are being caused by the remote node's interfaced equipment
(link radio(s), repeater, mobile user).

Ed Yoho
WA6RQD
Oceanside, CA
node 315

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Re: Connect / Disconnect Wave Files

Michael P. Illingby Esq <michaeli@...>
 

Acctually, you probably won't see it that way, due to the fact that it was
that way before. The prob was simple, when both stations connected together,
they would jitter, and lag as thier ID's were transfered over the internet.
Now, it simply triggers the other end to play the appropriate file.


ps, I hope that made sense, I woke up only 14 seconds ago. If it doesn't,
let me know...



--
Michael P. Illingby Esq. Silver Star Computers Networking
Consultant
e-mail - michaeli@... IRLP Development Team Partner
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M.A.A.C. Member Vernon R/C Aeromodelers Club Member

My Pgp Key - http://www.irlp.net/linus/pgp.txt
Vernon Balloon eXperiments - http://www.junction.net/norac/vbx
Internet Radio Linking Project - http://www.irlp.net

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to a sixteen-bit patch to an eight-bit operating system originally
coded for a four-bit microprocessor which was written by a two-bit
company that can't stand one bit of competition. -The Jargon File

-----Original Message-----
From: T. Glen Haggard [mailto:glen@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 8:42 AM
To: irlp@...
Subject: Re: [irlp] Connect / Disconnect Wave Files


This was discussed awhile back and I believe Dave was thinking of just
setting up the nodes to play their own message when connected to. I believe
the issue was having to upload all these files each time the update due to
all the new nodes. The more nodes that come on line the large that file
becomes and the more uploading Dave has to do. I believe that in the future
we will see a different system.

Glen


----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred" <fred@...>
To: <irlp@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 3:44 AM
Subject: Re: [irlp] Connect / Disconnect Wave Files


what if the link is so bad you can't tell who connected, how are you going
to let them know they have a problem, or how will you know who they are.
The storage requiremnt are minimum... FWIW.. Fred

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Yoho" <edyoho@...>
To: <irlp@...>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 9:00 PM
Subject: [irlp] Connect / Disconnect Wave Files


Most likely a dumb question:

What advantage is there to having the connect / disconnect wave files
for
all nodes distributed to all the nodes versus just having your own wave
files locally?

It would seem to me, by distributing the complete file set to all nodes,
it
raises the storage requirements on the individual nodes and also adds
additional burdens on Dave to keep them current. By not needing to
distribute the files, all nodes would always be current.

Also, by not having the wave files distributed, when my node connects to
a
remote node, I would get a short but accurate view of the current VoIP
connection quality. This would also let me know how much of the observed
distortions are being caused by the remote node's interfaced equipment
(link radio(s), repeater, mobile user).

Ed Yoho
WA6RQD
Oceanside, CA
node 315

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Re: Connect / Disconnect Wave Files

Ed Yoho <edyoho@...>
 

"Michael P. Illingby Esq" wrote:

Acctually, you probably won't see it that way, due to the fact that it was
that way before. The prob was simple, when both stations connected together,
they would jitter, and lag as thier ID's were transfered over the internet.
Now, it simply triggers the other end to play the appropriate file.

ps, I hope that made sense, I woke up only 14 seconds ago. If it doesn't,
let me know...

Michael,

I can understand your description ok, but don't understand the cause. Why
would it be any more difficult for a node to send their ID versus sending
'normal' audio traffic?

If it is due to both nodes sending concurrently versus the normal half
duplex operation, raising the packet buffer depth during this or any other
duplex effort should stop the problem (or at least make it invisible to the
node users). It also would seem to me less of a problem on high speed
connections versus dialup/GSM nodes.

Another solution would be for the originating node to send their ID and at
its completion, the node being connected to would begin IDing.

Ed Yoho
WA6RQD


Real Newbie Q

ne1h@...
 

Ok, so I have a CT1790 SB16 card, it has Mic in, Line In, and Speaker
out (no line out). I can disable the internal amplifier on the card
so make it line out.

But the impedances will be all wrong. Most mic inputs are 600 ohms
and most soundcards are 8ohms.

Ok, so can someone give me the basics of radio hookup. Maybe one of
the Nomic devices from www.westmountainradio.com would be benificial?

Thanks,
Alan


Re: Real Newbie Q

Ed Yoho <edyoho@...>
 

ne1h@... wrote:

Ok, so I have a CT1790 SB16 card, it has Mic in, Line In, and Speaker
out (no line out). I can disable the internal amplifier on the card
so make it line out.

But the impedances will be all wrong. Most mic inputs are 600 ohms
and most soundcards are 8ohms.

Ok, so can someone give me the basics of radio hookup. Maybe one of
the Nomic devices from www.westmountainradio.com would be benificial?

Thanks,
Alan
Alan,

If you move the jumpers from speaker out to line out, it should be 600 ohms
as required to drive your mike input.

What type of link radio are you planning on using, or are you connecting
the IRLP directly to a controller?

Ed Yoho
WA6RQD