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Re: How Low Can We Go

Teton Amateur Radio Repeater Association (TARRA)
 

I will try to answer here with the web based groups.io. For some reason all of a sudden I am getting "Delivery failure" trying to send normal email through groups.io.

Mick - W7CAT

Node 3464


Re: How Low Can We Go

wa1nvc
 

Do you have cellular data available?  Try an MNVO data plan.

I have 4 GB/month of LTE data for $15.  Use the IRLP VPN and you are good to go. 

$15/month sure beats the $100/month plus some ungodly installation charge by the foot.

Roger
WA1NVC
node 8253


Re: How Low Can We Go

Bob DeMattia, K1IW
 

On eBay, you can purchase a Cradlepoint MBR1200B router for about $100 on eBay, and either a NetGear 340u or 341u 
for about $30.    You plug the Netgear into the USB port of the Cradlepoint, then use either a wired or wireless connection
to the router.

The 340 works with FreedomPop, which will give you a 4G connection 200MB/month for $0,  the 341 works with Tello,
which will give you 500MB/month for $5.  Other plans with more data are available.  

My club is doing this at six remote sites - our usage is easily under 150MB a month at each site.


Bob - K1IW




On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 7:55 AM Rich Ball <wa2zpx@...> wrote:
You can always go the other route, and put the node somewhere else and link it to the site on a remote base port on the controller. Been doing that for years... 
 
Rich, WA2ZPX
Node 4130

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Teton Amateur Radio Repeater Association (TARRA)" <tarra@...>
To: IRLP@irlp.groups.io
Subject: [IRLP] How Low Can We Go
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 19:52:21 -0700

Hello Group,

I am wondering how low we can go for an network speed connection. Still trying to figure out a connection for a mountain top. Wondering if a 56K connection is still going to be fast enough to work? Just trying what I can to make things work. Yes, there is internet up there, but the company wants $80 a month for us to have a connection. I consider that absurd!

Mick - W7CAT
Node 3464



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Re: How Low Can We Go

Rich Ball
 

You can always go the other route, and put the node somewhere else and link it to the site on a remote base port on the controller. Been doing that for years... 
 
Rich, WA2ZPX
Node 4130


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Teton Amateur Radio Repeater Association (TARRA)" <tarra@...>
To: IRLP@irlp.groups.io
Subject: [IRLP] How Low Can We Go
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 19:52:21 -0700

Hello Group,

I am wondering how low we can go for an network speed connection. Still trying to figure out a connection for a mountain top. Wondering if a 56K connection is still going to be fast enough to work? Just trying what I can to make things work. Yes, there is internet up there, but the company wants $80 a month for us to have a connection. I consider that absurd!

Mick - W7CAT
Node 3464



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Re: How Low Can We Go

kevin asato
 


No hard evidence but i usually allocate about 100Kbps for an E&M circuit (56K) when i traffic engineer it across an MPLS/Ethernet transport. This makes sure the voice payload does not share it's bandwidth with whatever payload taxes are assessed for framing overheads. The E&M payload is compressed as little as possible to preserve as much of the analog signal fidelity as possible across the path. - G.729 codec.
73,
kevin
kc6pob

On Monday, October 19, 2020, 10:12:51 PM PDT, k9dc <dave@...> wrote:



A local friend was out camping last week, and ran out his data on his Verizon wireless plan.  When that happens, VZW clamps the data down to 128 kbps.  IRLP still worked perfectly, we were using UNCOMP requiring 80 kbps.  His kids were not very happy (no more Netflix), but his IRLP node ran
perfectly.

I have three repeaters sharing the same cellular plan, 128 kbps will carry one node node, but it tanks with two or more.

-k90dc


> On Oct 19, 2020, at 22:52, Teton Amateur Radio Repeater Association (TARRA) <tarra@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Group,
>
> I am wondering how low we can go for an network speed connection. Still trying to figure out a connection for a mountain top. Wondering if a 56K connection is still going to be fast enough to work? Just trying what I can to make things work. Yes, there is internet up there, but the company wants $80 a month for us to have a connection. I consider that absurd!
>
> Mick - W7CAT
> Node 3464








Re: How Low Can We Go

Dave K9DC
 

A local friend was out camping last week, and ran out his data on his Verizon wireless plan. When that happens, VZW clamps the data down to 128 kbps. IRLP still worked perfectly, we were using UNCOMP requiring 80 kbps. His kids were not very happy (no more Netflix), but his IRLP node ran
perfectly.

I have three repeaters sharing the same cellular plan, 128 kbps will carry one node node, but it tanks with two or more.

-k90dc

On Oct 19, 2020, at 22:52, Teton Amateur Radio Repeater Association (TARRA) <tarra@wyocat.com> wrote:

Hello Group,

I am wondering how low we can go for an network speed connection. Still trying to figure out a connection for a mountain top. Wondering if a 56K connection is still going to be fast enough to work? Just trying what I can to make things work. Yes, there is internet up there, but the company wants $80 a month for us to have a connection. I consider that absurd!

Mick - W7CAT
Node 3464


Re: How Low Can We Go

David McAnally
 

If configured to use the GSM CODEC, and you have good latency/jitter performance, you will probably be okay.  An IRLP connection uses about 40Kbps on GSM. Poor latency/jitter may cause packet loss.

David M.
WD5M


On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 9:52 PM Teton Amateur Radio Repeater Association (TARRA) <tarra@...> wrote:

Hello Group,

I am wondering how low we can go for an network speed connection. Still trying to figure out a connection for a mountain top. Wondering if a 56K connection is still going to be fast enough to work? Just trying what I can to make things work. Yes, there is internet up there, but the company wants $80 a month for us to have a connection. I consider that absurd!

Mick - W7CAT
Node 3464


Re: How Low Can We Go

Jeff Daugherty
 

Just a heads up your lic expires in Dec



Sent from my Sprint Phone.


-------- Original message --------
From: "Teton Amateur Radio Repeater Association (TARRA)" <tarra@...>
Date: 10/19/20 7:52 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: IRLP@irlp.groups.io
Subject: [IRLP] How Low Can We Go

Hello Group,

I am wondering how low we can go for an network speed connection. Still trying to figure out a connection for a mountain top. Wondering if a 56K connection is still going to be fast enough to work? Just trying what I can to make things work. Yes, there is internet up there, but the company wants $80 a month for us to have a connection. I consider that absurd!

Mick - W7CAT
Node 3464


How Low Can We Go

Teton Amateur Radio Repeater Association (TARRA)
 

Hello Group,

I am wondering how low we can go for an network speed connection. Still trying to figure out a connection for a mountain top. Wondering if a 56K connection is still going to be fast enough to work? Just trying what I can to make things work. Yes, there is internet up there, but the company wants $80 a month for us to have a connection. I consider that absurd!

Mick - W7CAT
Node 3464


Re: Cannot connect to Admin page

Ken Arck
 

Very true



At 06:18 PM 10/18/2020, you wrote:

He doesn’t. That was my point. But he needs to include the port number in the URL if it is something other than 80.

-k9dc


On Oct 18, 2020, at 19:30, Ken Arck <ken@arcomcontrollers.com> wrote:

 I'm curious

Why on Earth does he need to worry about
router forwarding on his own, internal, private LAN 192.168.x.x)?



At 04:30 PM 10/18/2020, you wrote:
Dave:
 Interesting. Do you suggest I forward
15426? to the node IP address?
Thanks, and 73,
Al

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Re: Cannot connect to Admin page

Dave K9DC
 

He doesn’t. That was my point. But he needs to include the port number in the URL if it is something other than 80.

-k9dc

On Oct 18, 2020, at 19:30, Ken Arck <ken@arcomcontrollers.com> wrote:

 I'm curious

Why on Earth does he need to worry about router forwarding on his own, internal, private LAN 192.168.x.x)?



At 04:30 PM 10/18/2020, you wrote:
Dave:
 Interesting. Do you suggest I forward 15426? to the node IP address?
Thanks, and 73,
Al


Re: Cannot connect to Admin page

Ken Arck
 

I'm curious

Why on Earth does he need to worry about router forwarding on his own, internal, private LAN 192.168.x.x)?



At 04:30 PM 10/18/2020, you wrote:
Dave:
  Interesting.  Do you suggest I forward 15426? to the node IP address?
Thanks, and 73,
Al

From: IRLP@irlp.groups.io <IRLP@irlp.groups.io> on behalf of k9dc <Dave@...> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 4:26 PM To: IRLP@irlp.groups.io <IRLP@irlp.groups.io> Subject: Re: [IRLP] Cannot connect to Admin page
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Do you know what port the web server was configured to use?  Your URL suggests you are trying 80 (standard for http), but 15426 is common for remote admin, but 15426 is not forwarded to your node.  15425 works fine though. -k9dc > On Oct 18, 2020, at 19:13, Albert Febraro <w6aax@...> wrote: > > Tried the http route without success. ( http://192.168.0.xxx/control/index.php) > The IP address of the Pi never changed since day one.  The ports in the router reflect the current IP address for the Pi. > Al > W6AAX > > From: IRLP@irlp.groups.io <IRLP@irlp.groups.io> on behalf of Rick NK7I <Rick.NK7I@...> > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 3:51 PM > To: IRLP@irlp.groups.io <IRLP@irlp.groups.io> > Subject: Re: [IRLP] Cannot connect to Admin page > > That issue is precisely why you reserve the node MAC number to a specific IP address In the router, so it never changes. > > If the OP didn’t lock it up that way, it could simply be on a different LAN address. > > Rick NK7I > > Email spiel Czech corruptions happen > >> On Oct 18, 2020, at 3:37 PM, Ray - KF6OJE <rtorella@...> wrote: >> >>  >> Al, >> >> Had the same thing happen to me. Try typing the http:// + other info for node and try that. Had to do it that way and resave as favorite. Web browsers keep changing not to access or accept connections to unsecure web addresses. >> >> Ray >> KF6OJE >> >> >> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 at 3:09 PM >> From: "Albert Febraro" <w6aax@...> >> To: IRLP@irlp.groups.io >> Subject: [IRLP] Cannot connect to Admin page >> For some reason I cannot reach the admin login page when entering my node IP address. I used to be able to access it from favorites, now all I get is " Unable to connect"  Can't establish a connection to the server. >> Nothing changed with my forwarded ports and can SSH to the Pi through port 22. Any ideas? >> Al >> W6AAX >
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Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave.
We we offer complete turn-key repeater packages!
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Re: Cannot connect to Admin page

Dave K9DC
 

It won’t matter if you are using the LAN IP address, but you need to include the port in the URL http://192.168.0.xxx:15426/control (assuming you are using 15426). If you use the domain name, it depends on your router. You might have to add it, might not.

-k9dc

On Oct 18, 2020, at 19:30, Albert Febraro <w6aax@hotmail.com> wrote:

Dave:
Interesting. Do you suggest I forward 15426? to the node IP address?
Thanks, and 73,
Al

From: IRLP@irlp.groups.io <IRLP@irlp.groups.io> on behalf of k9dc <Dave@dcg.us>
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 4:26 PM
To: IRLP@irlp.groups.io <IRLP@irlp.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [IRLP] Cannot connect to Admin page


Do you know what port the web server was configured to use? Your URL suggests you are trying 80 (standard for http), but 15426 is common for remote admin, but 15426 is not forwarded to your node. 15425 works fine though.

-k9dc


Re: Cannot connect to Admin page

Albert Febraro <w6aax@...>
 

Dave:
  Interesting.  Do you suggest I forward 15426? to the node IP address?
Thanks, and 73,
Al


From: IRLP@irlp.groups.io <IRLP@irlp.groups.io> on behalf of k9dc <Dave@...>
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 4:26 PM
To: IRLP@irlp.groups.io <IRLP@irlp.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [IRLP] Cannot connect to Admin page
 

Do you know what port the web server was configured to use?  Your URL suggests you are trying 80 (standard for http), but 15426 is common for remote admin, but 15426 is not forwarded to your node.  15425 works fine though.

-k9dc


> On Oct 18, 2020, at 19:13, Albert Febraro <w6aax@...> wrote:
>
> Tried the http route without success. ( http://192.168.0.xxx/control/index.php)
> The IP address of the Pi never changed since day one.  The ports in the router reflect the current IP address for the Pi.
> Al
> W6AAX
>
> From: IRLP@irlp.groups.io <IRLP@irlp.groups.io> on behalf of Rick NK7I <Rick.NK7I@...>
> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 3:51 PM
> To: IRLP@irlp.groups.io <IRLP@irlp.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [IRLP] Cannot connect to Admin page
>
> That issue is precisely why you reserve the node MAC number to a specific IP address In the router, so it never changes.
>
> If the OP didn’t lock it up that way, it could simply be on a different LAN address.
>
> Rick NK7I
>
> Email spiel Czech corruptions happen
>
>> On Oct 18, 2020, at 3:37 PM, Ray - KF6OJE <rtorella@...> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Al,
>>
>> Had the same thing happen to me. Try typing the http:// + other info for node and try that. Had to do it that way and resave as favorite. Web browsers keep changing not to access or accept connections to unsecure web addresses.
>>
>> Ray
>> KF6OJE
>>
>>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 at 3:09 PM
>> From: "Albert Febraro" <w6aax@...>
>> To: IRLP@irlp.groups.io
>> Subject: [IRLP] Cannot connect to Admin page
>> For some reason I cannot reach the admin login page when entering my node IP address. I used to be able to access it from favorites, now all I get is " Unable to connect"  Can't establish a connection to the server.
>> Nothing changed with my forwarded ports and can SSH to the Pi through port 22. Any ideas?
>> Al
>> W6AAX
>







Re: Cannot connect to Admin page

Dave K9DC
 

Do you know what port the web server was configured to use? Your URL suggests you are trying 80 (standard for http), but 15426 is common for remote admin, but 15426 is not forwarded to your node. 15425 works fine though.

-k9dc

On Oct 18, 2020, at 19:13, Albert Febraro <w6aax@hotmail.com> wrote:

Tried the http route without success. ( http://192.168.0.xxx/control/index.php)
The IP address of the Pi never changed since day one. The ports in the router reflect the current IP address for the Pi.
Al
W6AAX

From: IRLP@irlp.groups.io <IRLP@irlp.groups.io> on behalf of Rick NK7I <Rick.NK7I@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 3:51 PM
To: IRLP@irlp.groups.io <IRLP@irlp.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [IRLP] Cannot connect to Admin page

That issue is precisely why you reserve the node MAC number to a specific IP address In the router, so it never changes.

If the OP didn’t lock it up that way, it could simply be on a different LAN address.

Rick NK7I

Email spiel Czech corruptions happen

On Oct 18, 2020, at 3:37 PM, Ray - KF6OJE <rtorella@email.com> wrote:


Al,

Had the same thing happen to me. Try typing the http:// + other info for node and try that. Had to do it that way and resave as favorite. Web browsers keep changing not to access or accept connections to unsecure web addresses.

Ray
KF6OJE


Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 at 3:09 PM
From: "Albert Febraro" <w6aax@hotmail.com>
To: IRLP@irlp.groups.io
Subject: [IRLP] Cannot connect to Admin page
For some reason I cannot reach the admin login page when entering my node IP address. I used to be able to access it from favorites, now all I get is " Unable to connect" Can't establish a connection to the server.
Nothing changed with my forwarded ports and can SSH to the Pi through port 22. Any ideas?
Al
W6AAX


Re: Cannot connect to Admin page

Albert Febraro <w6aax@...>
 

Tried the http route without success. ( http://192.168.0.xxx/control/index.php)
The IP address of the Pi never changed since day one.  The ports in the router reflect the current IP address for the Pi.
Al
W6AAX


From: IRLP@irlp.groups.io <IRLP@irlp.groups.io> on behalf of Rick NK7I <Rick.NK7I@...>
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 3:51 PM
To: IRLP@irlp.groups.io <IRLP@irlp.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [IRLP] Cannot connect to Admin page
 
That issue is precisely why you reserve the node MAC number to a specific IP address In the router, so it never changes. 

If the OP didn’t lock it up that way, it could simply be on a different LAN address. 

Rick NK7I

Email spiel Czech corruptions happen

On Oct 18, 2020, at 3:37 PM, Ray - KF6OJE <rtorella@...> wrote:


Al,
 
Had the same thing happen to me. Try typing the http:// + other info for node and try that. Had to do it that way and resave as favorite. Web browsers keep changing not to access or accept connections to unsecure web addresses.
 
Ray
KF6OJE
 
 
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 at 3:09 PM
From: "Albert Febraro" <w6aax@...>
To: IRLP@irlp.groups.io
Subject: [IRLP] Cannot connect to Admin page
For some reason I cannot reach the admin login page when entering my node IP address. I used to be able to access it from favorites, now all I get is " Unable to connect"  Can't establish a connection to the server.
Nothing changed with my forwarded ports and can SSH to the Pi through port 22. Any ideas?
Al
W6AAX


Re: Cannot connect to Admin page

Albert Febraro <w6aax@...>
 

node 3913


From: IRLP@irlp.groups.io <IRLP@irlp.groups.io> on behalf of k9dc <Dave@...>
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 3:37 PM
To: IRLP@irlp.groups.io <IRLP@irlp.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [IRLP] Cannot connect to Admin page
 

what is your node number?

-k9dc

> On Oct 18, 2020, at 18:09, Albert Febraro <w6aax@...> wrote:
>
> For some reason I cannot reach the admin login page when entering my node IP address. I used to be able to access it from favorites, now all I get is " Unable to connect"  Can't establish a connection to the server.
> Nothing changed with my forwarded ports and can SSH to the Pi through port 22. Any ideas?
> Al
> W6AAX
>







Re: Cannot connect to Admin page

Rick NK7I
 

That issue is precisely why you reserve the node MAC number to a specific IP address In the router, so it never changes. 

If the OP didn’t lock it up that way, it could simply be on a different LAN address. 

Rick NK7I

Email spiel Czech corruptions happen

On Oct 18, 2020, at 3:37 PM, Ray - KF6OJE <rtorella@...> wrote:


Al,
 
Had the same thing happen to me. Try typing the http:// + other info for node and try that. Had to do it that way and resave as favorite. Web browsers keep changing not to access or accept connections to unsecure web addresses.
 
Ray
KF6OJE
 
 
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 at 3:09 PM
From: "Albert Febraro" <w6aax@...>
To: IRLP@irlp.groups.io
Subject: [IRLP] Cannot connect to Admin page
For some reason I cannot reach the admin login page when entering my node IP address. I used to be able to access it from favorites, now all I get is " Unable to connect"  Can't establish a connection to the server.
Nothing changed with my forwarded ports and can SSH to the Pi through port 22. Any ideas?
Al
W6AAX


Re: Cannot connect to Admin page

Dave K9DC
 

what is your node number?

-k9dc

On Oct 18, 2020, at 18:09, Albert Febraro <w6aax@hotmail.com> wrote:

For some reason I cannot reach the admin login page when entering my node IP address. I used to be able to access it from favorites, now all I get is " Unable to connect" Can't establish a connection to the server.
Nothing changed with my forwarded ports and can SSH to the Pi through port 22. Any ideas?
Al
W6AAX


Re: Cannot connect to Admin page

Ray - KF6OJE
 

Al,
 
Had the same thing happen to me. Try typing the http:// + other info for node and try that. Had to do it that way and resave as favorite. Web browsers keep changing not to access or accept connections to unsecure web addresses.
 
Ray
KF6OJE

 
 
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 at 3:09 PM
From: "Albert Febraro" <w6aax@...>
To: IRLP@irlp.groups.io
Subject: [IRLP] Cannot connect to Admin page
For some reason I cannot reach the admin login page when entering my node IP address. I used to be able to access it from favorites, now all I get is " Unable to connect"  Can't establish a connection to the server.
Nothing changed with my forwarded ports and can SSH to the Pi through port 22. Any ideas?
Al
W6AAX

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