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Good morning!
During the space shuttle era there was at least one IRLP reflector
that carried the NASA TV audio during space shuttle missions. While I
agree that times have changed and there are other means of following
the missions, it was nice to be able to follow along during the
mission while out driving around by listening in on the audio via
IRLP.
With Spacex (and Boeing) soon to be launching manned missions, is
anyone carrying this audio still, or are there plans to?
Thanks,
Chris N4BSA
IRLP 4647
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Teton Amateur Radio Repeater Association (TARRA)
I think the key here is the space shuttle was essentially US
government communications. Spacex & Boeing would be
commercial.
Mick - W7CAT
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----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Schwab
To: IRLP@irlp.groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2020 09:36:01 AM
Subject: [IRLP] NASA Audio Broadcast - Slightly OT
> Good morning!
>
> During the space shuttle era there was at least one IRLP
reflector
> that carried the NASA TV audio during space shuttle missions.
While I
> agree that times have changed and there are other means of
following
> the missions, it was nice to be able to follow along during
the
> mission while out driving around by listening in on the audio
via
> IRLP.
>
> With Spacex (and Boeing) soon to be launching manned
missions, is
> anyone carrying this audio still, or are there plans to?
>
> Thanks,
> Chris N4BSA
> IRLP 4647
>
>
>
>
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Drifting WAY OT now..
I was looking at 97.113..
(c) No station shall retransmit programs or signals emanating from any type of radio station other than an amateur station, except propagation and weather forecast information intended for use by the general public and originated from United States Government stations, and communications, including incidental music, originating on United States Government frequencies between a manned spacecraft and its associated Earth stations. Prior approval for manned spacecraft communications retransmissions must be obtained from the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. Such retransmissions must be for the exclusive use of amateur radio operators. Propagation, weather forecasts, and manned spacecraft communications retransmissions may not be conducted on a regular basis, but only occasionally, as an incident of normal amateur radio communications.
You're right, it doesn't specify commercial vs government, but at the time I'm sure 97.113 never considered the possibility of manned commercial operations.
Looping this back to IRLP, if no one else is currently doing this, what would it take to feed the audio? I have the bandwidth and could probably come up with the hardware, I'd just have no idea where to start to get the audio fed into a reflector channel. Would this best be handled on an experimental reflector?
Chris
On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 12:27 PM Teton Amateur Radio Repeater Association (TARRA) < tarra@...> wrote:
I think the key here is the space shuttle was essentially US
government communications. Spacex & Boeing would be
commercial.
Mick - W7CAT
Node 3464
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Schwab
To: IRLP@irlp.groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2020 09:36:01 AM
Subject: [IRLP] NASA Audio Broadcast - Slightly OT
> Good morning!
>
> During the space shuttle era there was at least one IRLP
reflector
> that carried the NASA TV audio during space shuttle missions.
While I
> agree that times have changed and there are other means of
following
> the missions, it was nice to be able to follow along during
the
> mission while out driving around by listening in on the audio
via
> IRLP.
>
> With Spacex (and Boeing) soon to be launching manned
missions, is
> anyone carrying this audio still, or are there plans to?
>
> Thanks,
> Chris N4BSA
> IRLP 4647
>
>
>
>
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Teton Amateur Radio Repeater Association (TARRA)
Maybe in the fact that you (or any user) is not being compensated
it may be okay. Still not sure I would go there.
As for picking up the feed. That may not be nearly as available
as you may think or hope for. Since it is business it may be
pretty hidden and for that matter, encrypted. Since they are
fairly new at this, I'm sure if something goes wrong they aren't
going to want everyone to hear what is going on. I will guess they
are going to protect themselves.
IF (big if) it is available, I would just look for space (no pun
intended) on a normal reflector so if someone would like to
connect to it, it would be easy to do.
Mick - W7CAT
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----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Schwab
To: IRLP@irlp.groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2020 11:04:06 AM
Subject: Re: [IRLP] NASA Audio Broadcast - Slightly OT
> Drifting WAY OT now..
>
> I was looking at 97.113..
>
> (c) No station shall retransmit programs or signals emanating
from any type
> of radio station other than an amateur station, except
propagation and
> weather forecast information intended for use by the general
public and
> originated from United States Government stations, and
communications,
> including incidental music, originating on United States
Government
> frequencies between a manned spacecraft and its associated
Earth stations.
> Prior approval for manned spacecraft communications
retransmissions must be
> obtained from the National Aeronautics and Space
Administration. Such
> retransmissions must be for the exclusive use of amateur
radio operators.
> Propagation, weather forecasts, and manned spacecraft
communications
> retransmissions may not be conducted on a regular basis, but
only
> occasionally, as an incident of normal amateur radio
communications.
>
> You're right, it doesn't specify commercial vs government,
but at the time
> I'm sure 97.113 never considered the possibility of manned
commercial
> operations.
>
> Looping this back to IRLP, if no one else is currently doing
this, what
> would it take to feed the audio? I have the bandwidth and
could probably
> come up with the hardware, I'd just have no idea where to
start to get the
> audio fed into a reflector channel. Would this best be
handled on an
> experimental reflector?
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 12:27 PM Teton Amateur Radio Repeater
Association
> (TARRA) wrote:
>
> > I think the key here is the space shuttle was
essentially US government
> > communications. Spacex & Boeing would be
commercial.
> >
> > Mick - W7CAT
> > Node 3464
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Chris Schwab
> > To: IRLP@irlp.groups.io
> > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2020 09:36:01 AM
> > Subject: [IRLP] NASA Audio Broadcast - Slightly OT
> >
> > > Good morning!
> > >
> > > During the space shuttle era there was at least
one IRLP reflector
> > > that carried the NASA TV audio during space
shuttle missions. While I
> > > agree that times have changed and there are other
means of following
> > > the missions, it was nice to be able to follow
along during the
> > > mission while out driving around by listening in
on the audio via
> > > IRLP.
> > >
> > > With Spacex (and Boeing) soon to be launching
manned missions, is
> > > anyone carrying this audio still, or are there
plans to?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Chris N4BSA
> > > IRLP 4647
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [image: 0]
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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Rick NK7I
As NASA has permitted hams to rebroadcast space communications
(NOT their TV audio) for the last few decades, I'd submit that (in
the US) rebroadcast of what launch or earth-space audio NASA puts
out on this is also covered, regardless of the original source,
which may be commercial.
If NASA covers it, you can rebroadcast NASA and punt it to a
reflector so other in in IRLP-dom can link and listen.
It is my strong suggestion that the settings allow listen only on
that reflector, except for the station punting audio so that other
'random' audio isn't allowed. That would require most likely,
contact with the reflector owner/mods.
73,
Rick NK7I
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On 5/4/2020 10:04 AM, Chris Schwab
wrote:
Drifting WAY OT now..
I was looking at 97.113..
(c) No station shall retransmit programs or signals
emanating from any type of radio station other than an amateur
station, except propagation and weather forecast information
intended for use by the general public and originated from
United States Government stations, and communications,
including incidental music, originating on United States
Government frequencies between a manned spacecraft and its
associated Earth stations. Prior approval for manned
spacecraft communications retransmissions must be obtained
from the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. Such
retransmissions must be for the exclusive use of amateur radio
operators. Propagation, weather forecasts, and manned
spacecraft communications retransmissions may not be conducted
on a regular basis, but only occasionally, as an incident of
normal amateur radio communications.
You're right, it doesn't specify commercial vs government,
but at the time I'm sure 97.113 never considered the
possibility of manned commercial operations.
Looping this back to IRLP, if no one else is currently doing
this, what would it take to feed the audio? I have the
bandwidth and could probably come up with the hardware, I'd
just have no idea where to start to get the audio fed into a
reflector channel. Would this best be handled on an
experimental reflector?
Chris
On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 12:27
PM Teton Amateur Radio Repeater Association (TARRA) < tarra@...>
wrote:
I think the key here is the space shuttle was essentially
US government communications. Spacex & Boeing would be
commercial.
Mick - W7CAT
Node 3464
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Schwab
To: IRLP@irlp.groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2020 09:36:01 AM
Subject: [IRLP] NASA Audio Broadcast - Slightly OT
> Good morning!
>
> During the space shuttle era there was at least one
IRLP reflector
> that carried the NASA TV audio during space shuttle
missions. While I
> agree that times have changed and there are other means
of following
> the missions, it was nice to be able to follow along
during the
> mission while out driving around by listening in on the
audio via
> IRLP.
>
> With Spacex (and Boeing) soon to be launching manned
missions, is
> anyone carrying this audio still, or are there plans
to?
>
> Thanks,
> Chris N4BSA
> IRLP 4647
>
>
>
>
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The NASA feed way back when was provided by a ham who worked at JPL in Pasadena, CA. His feed went into one of the reflectors and we all listened in. If things are now private, maybe someone who is a ham or knows a ham at SpaceX or Boeing could help. The NASA feeds had great audio. The highlight for me was when we were listening to one of the Space Shuttle crews doing major replacement work on the Hubbell Telescope. Anyway, my $0.02 73, Phil N1BOW Nodes 5960 and 4656 AMT MP 113.6 Niantic, CT USA Earth
From: IRLP@irlp.groups.io [mailto:IRLP@irlp.groups.io] On Behalf Of Teton Amateur Radio Repeater Association (TARRA)
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2020 1:19 PM
To: IRLP@irlp.groups.io
Subject: Re: [IRLP] NASA Audio Broadcast - Slightly OT Maybe in the fact that you (or any user) is not being compensated it may be okay. Still not sure I would go there. As for picking up the feed. That may not be nearly as available as you may think or hope for. Since it is business it may be pretty hidden and for that matter, encrypted. Since they are fairly new at this, I'm sure if something goes wrong they aren't going to want everyone to hear what is going on. I will guess they are going to protect themselves. IF (big if) it is available, I would just look for space (no pun intended) on a normal reflector so if someone would like to connect to it, it would be easy to do. Mick - W7CAT
Node 3464
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Schwab
To: IRLP@irlp.groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2020 11:04:06 AM
Subject: Re: [IRLP] NASA Audio Broadcast - Slightly OT
> Drifting WAY OT now..
>
> I was looking at 97.113..
>
> (c) No station shall retransmit programs or signals emanating from any type
> of radio station other than an amateur station, except propagation and
> weather forecast information intended for use by the general public and
> originated from United States Government stations, and communications,
> including incidental music, originating on United States Government
> frequencies between a manned spacecraft and its associated Earth stations.
> Prior approval for manned spacecraft communications retransmissions must be
> obtained from the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. Such
> retransmissions must be for the exclusive use of amateur radio operators.
> Propagation, weather forecasts, and manned spacecraft communications
> retransmissions may not be conducted on a regular basis, but only
> occasionally, as an incident of normal amateur radio communications.
>
> You're right, it doesn't specify commercial vs government, but at the time
> I'm sure 97.113 never considered the possibility of manned commercial
> operations.
>
> Looping this back to IRLP, if no one else is currently doing this, what
> would it take to feed the audio? I have the bandwidth and could probably
> come up with the hardware, I'd just have no idea where to start to get the
> audio fed into a reflector channel. Would this best be handled on an
> experimental reflector?
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 12:27 PM Teton Amateur Radio Repeater Association
> (TARRA) wrote:
>
> > I think the key here is the space shuttle was essentially US government
> > communications. Spacex & Boeing would be commercial.
> >
> > Mick - W7CAT
> > Node 3464
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Chris Schwab
> > To: IRLP@irlp.groups.io
> > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2020 09:36:01 AM
> > Subject: [IRLP] NASA Audio Broadcast - Slightly OT
> >
> > > Good morning!
> > >
> > > During the space shuttle era there was at least one IRLP reflector
> > > that carried the NASA TV audio during space shuttle missions. While I
> > > agree that times have changed and there are other means of following
> > > the missions, it was nice to be able to follow along during the
> > > mission while out driving around by listening in on the audio via
> > > IRLP.
> > >
> > > With Spacex (and Boeing) soon to be launching manned missions, is
> > > anyone carrying this audio still, or are there plans to?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Chris N4BSA
> > > IRLP 4647
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [image: 0]
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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I was thinking you could just grab the audio from Youtube though I'm not sure how to get that audio to the reflector if there wasn't a better feed available. Of course I'd ask permission of the reflector owner, though I'm missing the piece of how to make the pieces in the middle work.
Chris
On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 2:07 PM Phil Zocco < n1bow@...> wrote: The NASA feed way back when was provided by a ham who worked at JPL in Pasadena, CA. His feed went into one of the reflectors and we all listened in. If things are now private, maybe someone who is a ham or knows a ham at SpaceX or Boeing could help. The NASA feeds had great audio. The highlight for me was when we were listening to one of the Space Shuttle crews doing major replacement work on the Hubbell Telescope. Anyway, my $0.02 73, Phil N1BOW Nodes 5960 and 4656 AMT MP 113.6 Niantic, CT USA Earth Maybe in the fact that you (or any user) is not being compensated it may be okay. Still not sure I would go there. As for picking up the feed. That may not be nearly as available as you may think or hope for. Since it is business it may be pretty hidden and for that matter, encrypted. Since they are fairly new at this, I'm sure if something goes wrong they aren't going to want everyone to hear what is going on. I will guess they are going to protect themselves. IF (big if) it is available, I would just look for space (no pun intended) on a normal reflector so if someone would like to connect to it, it would be easy to do. Mick - W7CAT
Node 3464
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Schwab
To: IRLP@irlp.groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2020 11:04:06 AM
Subject: Re: [IRLP] NASA Audio Broadcast - Slightly OT
> Drifting WAY OT now..
>
> I was looking at 97.113..
>
> (c) No station shall retransmit programs or signals emanating from any type
> of radio station other than an amateur station, except propagation and
> weather forecast information intended for use by the general public and
> originated from United States Government stations, and communications,
> including incidental music, originating on United States Government
> frequencies between a manned spacecraft and its associated Earth stations.
> Prior approval for manned spacecraft communications retransmissions must be
> obtained from the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. Such
> retransmissions must be for the exclusive use of amateur radio operators.
> Propagation, weather forecasts, and manned spacecraft communications
> retransmissions may not be conducted on a regular basis, but only
> occasionally, as an incident of normal amateur radio communications.
>
> You're right, it doesn't specify commercial vs government, but at the time
> I'm sure 97.113 never considered the possibility of manned commercial
> operations.
>
> Looping this back to IRLP, if no one else is currently doing this, what
> would it take to feed the audio? I have the bandwidth and could probably
> come up with the hardware, I'd just have no idea where to start to get the
> audio fed into a reflector channel. Would this best be handled on an
> experimental reflector?
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 12:27 PM Teton Amateur Radio Repeater Association
> (TARRA) wrote:
>
> > I think the key here is the space shuttle was essentially US government
> > communications. Spacex & Boeing would be commercial.
> >
> > Mick - W7CAT
> > Node 3464
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Chris Schwab
> > To: IRLP@irlp.groups.io
> > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2020 09:36:01 AM
> > Subject: [IRLP] NASA Audio Broadcast - Slightly OT
> >
> > > Good morning!
> > >
> > > During the space shuttle era there was at least one IRLP reflector
> > > that carried the NASA TV audio during space shuttle missions. While I
> > > agree that times have changed and there are other means of following
> > > the missions, it was nice to be able to follow along during the
> > > mission while out driving around by listening in on the audio via
> > > IRLP.
> > >
> > > With Spacex (and Boeing) soon to be launching manned missions, is
> > > anyone carrying this audio still, or are there plans to?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Chris N4BSA
> > > IRLP 4647
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [image: 0]
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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At 5/4/2020 11:07 AM, you wrote: The NASA feed way back when was provided by a ham who worked at JPL in Pasadena, CA. His feed went into one of the reflectors and we all listened in.
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If things are now private, maybe someone who is a ham or knows a ham at SpaceX or Boeing could help. The launch will be carried on the NASA web page: < https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-to-provide-coverage-of-spacex-commercial-crew-test-flight-with-astronauts> We have plans to retransmit this onto the JPLARC's 147.150 repeater in La Canada. I may also carry it on my local open system, which covers some of the greater LA area: 445.080 (-) PL-103.5. Bob NO6B
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Yes this is what needs to happen:
1) You need a high quality stream of the audio
2) You need a node that is designated to stream the audio into the system.
3) Someone needs to make a VOX controller or some type that will do two things:
- Detect when there is audio and close a contact, connected to the COS of the node, and start/stop the stream of audio
- Not allow a continuous audio stream / COS trigger for more than 3 minutes.
Then you work with the reflector owner to set up a channel as listen only, then define the node as the "talking station". This is easy to do, and will be made easier once new reflector control software is made later this month.
Dave Cameron
VE7LTD
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On 2020-05-04 11:13 a.m., Chris Schwab wrote: I was thinking you could just grab the audio from Youtube though I'm not sure how to get that audio to the reflector if there wasn't a better feed available. Of course I'd ask permission of the reflector owner, though I'm missing the piece of how to make the pieces in the middle work.
Chris
On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 2:07 PM Phil Zocco <n1bow@... <mailto:n1bow@...>> wrote:
The NASA feed way back when was provided by a ham who worked at JPL
in Pasadena, CA. His feed went into one of the reflectors and we all
listened in. ____
__ __
If things are now private, maybe someone who is a ham or knows a ham
at SpaceX or Boeing could help.____
__ __
The NASA feeds had great audio. The highlight for me was when we
were listening to one of the Space Shuttle crews doing major
replacement work on the Hubbell Telescope. ____
__ __
Anyway, my $0.02 ____
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73,____
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Phil N1BOW____
Nodes 5960 and 4656____
AMT MP 113.6____
Niantic, CT USA Earth____
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*From:*IRLP@irlp.groups.io <mailto:IRLP@irlp.groups.io>
[mailto:IRLP@irlp.groups.io <mailto:IRLP@irlp.groups.io>] *On Behalf
Of *Teton Amateur Radio Repeater Association (TARRA)
*Sent:* Monday, May 04, 2020 1:19 PM
*To:* IRLP@irlp.groups.io <mailto:IRLP@irlp.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [IRLP] NASA Audio Broadcast - Slightly OT____
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Maybe in the fact that you (or any user) is not being compensated it
may be okay. Still not sure I would go there.____
As for picking up the feed. That may not be nearly as available as
you may think or hope for. Since it is business it may be pretty
hidden and for that matter, encrypted. Since they are fairly new at
this, I'm sure if something goes wrong they aren't going to want
everyone to hear what is going on. I will guess they are going to
protect themselves.____
IF (big if) it is available, I would just look for space (no pun
intended) on a normal reflector so if someone would like to connect
to it, it would be easy to do.____
Mick - W7CAT
Node 3464
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Schwab
To: IRLP@irlp.groups.io <mailto:IRLP@irlp.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2020 11:04:06 AM
Subject: Re: [IRLP] NASA Audio Broadcast - Slightly OT
> Drifting WAY OT now..
>
> I was looking at 97.113..
>
> (c) No station shall retransmit programs or signals emanating
from any type
> of radio station other than an amateur station, except
propagation and
> weather forecast information intended for use by the general
public and
> originated from United States Government stations, and
communications,
> including incidental music, originating on United States Government
> frequencies between a manned spacecraft and its associated Earth
stations.
> Prior approval for manned spacecraft communications
retransmissions must be
> obtained from the National Aeronautics and Space Administration.
Such
> retransmissions must be for the exclusive use of amateur radio
operators.
> Propagation, weather forecasts, and manned spacecraft communications
> retransmissions may not be conducted on a regular basis, but only
> occasionally, as an incident of normal amateur radio communications.
>
> You're right, it doesn't specify commercial vs government, but at
the time
> I'm sure 97.113 never considered the possibility of manned
commercial
> operations.
>
> Looping this back to IRLP, if no one else is currently doing
this, what
> would it take to feed the audio? I have the bandwidth and could
probably
> come up with the hardware, I'd just have no idea where to start
to get the
> audio fed into a reflector channel. Would this best be handled on an
> experimental reflector?
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 12:27 PM Teton Amateur Radio Repeater
Association
> (TARRA) wrote:
>
> > I think the key here is the space shuttle was essentially US
government
> > communications. Spacex & Boeing would be commercial.
> >
> > Mick - W7CAT
> > Node 3464
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Chris Schwab
> > To: IRLP@irlp.groups.io <mailto:IRLP@irlp.groups.io>
> > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2020 09:36:01 AM
> > Subject: [IRLP] NASA Audio Broadcast - Slightly OT
> >
> > > Good morning!
> > >
> > > During the space shuttle era there was at least one IRLP
reflector
> > > that carried the NASA TV audio during space shuttle missions.
While I
> > > agree that times have changed and there are other means of
following
> > > the missions, it was nice to be able to follow along during the
> > > mission while out driving around by listening in on the audio
via
> > > IRLP.
> > >
> > > With Spacex (and Boeing) soon to be launching manned
missions, is
> > > anyone carrying this audio still, or are there plans to?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Chris N4BSA
> > > IRLP 4647
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [image: 0]
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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If I unsubscribe to this feed below.....will I still get other Irlp groups of interest.
On Mon, May 4, 2020, 2:57 PM Bob Dengler < no6b@...> wrote: At 5/4/2020 11:07 AM, you wrote:
>The NASA feed way back when was provided by a ham who worked at JPL in Pasadena, CA. His feed went into one of the reflectors and we all listened in.
>Â
>If things are now private, maybe someone who is a ham or knows a ham at SpaceX or Boeing could help.
The launch will be carried on the NASA web page:
<https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-to-provide-coverage-of-spacex-commercial-crew-test-flight-with-astronauts>
We have plans to retransmit this onto the JPLARC's 147.150 repeater in La Canada. I may also carry it on my local open system, which covers some of the greater LA area: 445.080 (-) PL-103.5.
Bob NO6B
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